Zak Zinter, Michael Hall Jr. transform from ‘enemies in college’ to ‘brothers’
Great to see Zak recovering now and friends with his new Browns teammate, and ex- OSU rival Hall.
I might be softening but I even enjoyed Nick Saban's NFL draft coverage and "old war stories" with Desmond and Kirk.
April 28th, 2024 at 11:37 PM ^
In the end, it's just a game.
That said, Fuck Ohio State!
While I agree it's just a game, it also serve as a point of focus in how respective fan bases judge each other, i.e. the old amnty/emnity complex. It's what we do as a species. But the for the people who play the game, they have way more in common with each other than with individuals in their fan bases. They can 'see' each other as fully formed people, not cardboard cutouts, and the distinctions we see as rival fan bases mean much less to them. At least that's the impression I've gathered over the years.
Sure, it’s just a tunnel sometimes makes people different.
Seriously, players do form a level of respect and appreciation. I enjoy it when the final whistle blows and the opposing team players shake hands and bro hug. All the gamesmanship aside, that’s the way it should be..
April 29th, 2024 at 10:51 AM ^
One of my favorite traditions in sports is the NHL handshake line. Guys will be throwing fists at each other but when the green light goes off it's all respect. It's part of why the MSU thing from last year bugged me so much. After the game is off limits, anyone who has ever played a sport knows that.
April 29th, 2024 at 12:21 PM ^
I played rugby in college and the post game bash put on by the host side never had any hint of animosity, just a ton of fellowship. I saw the same thing between OSU and UM players I’ve known over the years.
My buddies in college were on the rugby team, and they had the best parties with all the visiting teams players. Never 1 fight or anything other than a frosty mug shared dancing to a Rolling Stones cover band.
I could only make out the words "FUCK OHIO STATE"
April 28th, 2024 at 11:52 PM ^
well of course they'll have to be brothers. when it comes to H2H victories, Hall doesn't have a leg to stand on
Exactly what I was thinking. Clearly a "big" and "little" brother situation.
April 29th, 2024 at 12:17 AM ^
The "brown zone" is what I call my toilet
You don't pee in your toilet?
Why would you do that when you have a perfectly good sink and shower?
Don't forget the bush in the yard.
April 29th, 2024 at 10:52 AM ^
I pee wherever the f i want to
Ryan Day poops in the shower and waffle stomps it down the drain.
Ryan is so tuff that the poop never stands a chance...
April 29th, 2024 at 11:54 AM ^
well, that's a visual I did not need.
April 29th, 2024 at 12:22 AM ^
Anthony Michael Hall is my brother. He was the best thing in all those terrible John Hughes movies.
Kid had great hair.
Not as great as Tom Cruise
April 29th, 2024 at 10:07 AM ^
As did Zevon's Werewolf of London!
April 29th, 2024 at 10:13 AM ^
Especially when he was having a pina colada at Trader Vic's.
April 29th, 2024 at 12:04 PM ^
I could go for some beef chow mein right about now.
"Terrible" John Hughes movies?
Just those few that were terrible as opposed to those that were excellent.
Breakfast Club is so overrated.
I'll put you in detention for the rest of your natural born life if you don't watch your step Dean!
I just watched Breakfast Club last night, the first time since college. My son had a teacher freshman year in high school who showed the movie in class the first week of school and then regretted it because she hadn't seen the movie since it came out and forgot how intense some of the subject matter is -- they talk about their parents abusing them, sex, drugs, peer pressure. It makes high school look like the last place you want to be.
One of my favorite one-hit wonders was the theme song. "Don't you forget about me" with the fist pump at the end. I was probably right around 10 when that came out, really helped me understand the term "cool" on a deeper level.
I was at UM when that movie hit the screen. I couldn't map my HS experience to it very well. My graduating class at a small Class B (Division 3/4 nowadays, I guess) school in SE Michigan was < 150 kids. I'd done K-12 with many of them. There weren't enough kids for the lunchroom to have "specialty" tables (football, band, theater, etc.) so you were in frequent contact with kids on other life tracks. I think it made for a better experience. My peers from larger high schools found the movie more relatable.
#unpopularopinion
April 29th, 2024 at 10:36 AM ^
I stand by my assessment.
April 29th, 2024 at 10:53 AM ^
we stand with you brother
April 29th, 2024 at 11:43 AM ^
Obligatory "user name checks out."
April 29th, 2024 at 11:27 AM ^
Planes trains and automobiles? Uncle Buck? RoboCop?
April 29th, 2024 at 11:38 AM ^
robocop as told by John Hughes would be funny
a teenage robot with angst!
I actually liked Hall's tape a good amount for a late era Larry Johnson coached player. I think with proper coaching, and Miles Garrett next to him, he'll be a nice player for Cleveland. Hope they lose every game though, sorry Zak.
April 29th, 2024 at 11:47 AM ^
I thought Hall was OSU's best player against us in November. He seemed to be constantly disruptive.
Zak will play the role of big brother and help the talented Hall with whatever tuffness* he still needs to develop - although rumor is Ryan Day is a super Tuff* totally tuffest* coach tuff* guy there is.
super-duper tuff. don't you cast aspersions at third base, i mean, don't cast aspersions at the brave, brave threatener of 85 yr old former coaches. he is tuff times 5 or 10.
I forgot how to do odds calculations, but what are the odds that the guy who broke your leg would end being being your teammate during the draft?
All things being equal (and nothing in the anthropocene world is) the probability that a specific team picks both players would be (1/32)^2≈0.00097, or about 0.1%.
That is roughly 1024 hats. The draft is merrily binaryish for now, unlike the new college playoff, yet another vector of inequality.
The real odds are what spawn draft parties similar to NCAA brackets, similar to stock picking. You are better off indexing ie making a how many days to kickoff thread.
You’re right that odds are tough. The odds you provided are the odds that both players would get selected by a specific team. The chances that they would both get selected by any team is actually one in 32 because once Zinter is picked by team then it’s a 1/32 chance that Hall would get picked by the same team.
That's fair. I had the wrong question in mind. Same team is 1/32. Both Browns 1/1024. Thanks for that.
Nerd.
says the guy who was all sciencey on those nuke subs.
April 29th, 2024 at 10:55 AM ^
it's funny, you don't have to think about this at all, probability wise, really.
if you know both will get drafted, and you know there are 32 teams, it's easy: 1 in 32.
but in actuality there are too many hidden variables to get the exact calculation, because we don't really know what positions each team wants to draft, etc.
So stupid to think otherwise. They have a common interest, that the rivalry remains the biggest in college football and thus has an interest in the other team. Like I always said, I want OSU to win every game but ours, as it keeps the association we have, strong and atop college football.
Missouri was a travesty. We've had our Mississippi State bowls. Missouri was a statement. OSU is doing football differently than Michigan.
I root B1G. I enjoy talking to OSU fans. I do not root for disposable football players. There is a real issue under the rivalry. One that Michigan should be careful not to engender or cover with collegiality in the name of sport.