Zak Zinter, Michael Hall Jr. transform from ‘enemies in college’ to ‘brothers’

Submitted by Zoltanrules on April 28th, 2024 at 11:29 PM

Great to see Zak recovering now and friends with his new Browns teammate, and ex- OSU rival Hall. 

 https://www.brownszone.com/2024/04/27/nfl-draft-michael-hall-jr-zak-zinter-transform-from-enemies-in-college-to-brothers-in-search-of-a-super-bowl/

I might be softening but I even enjoyed Nick Saban's NFL draft coverage and "old war stories" with Desmond and Kirk.

Grampy

April 29th, 2024 at 7:38 AM ^

While I agree it's just a game, it also serve as a point of focus in how respective fan bases judge each other, i.e. the old amnty/emnity complex. It's what we do as a species.  But the for the people who play the game, they have way more in common with each other than with individuals in their fan bases.  They can 'see' each other as fully formed people, not cardboard cutouts, and the distinctions we see as rival fan bases mean much less to them.  At least that's the impression I've gathered over the years.

XM - Mt 1822

April 29th, 2024 at 8:17 AM ^

Sure, it’s just a tunnel sometimes makes people different.

Seriously, players do form a level of respect and appreciation. I enjoy it when the final whistle blows and the opposing team players shake hands and bro hug. All the gamesmanship aside, that’s the way it should be..

Wendyk5

April 29th, 2024 at 9:01 AM ^

I just watched Breakfast Club last night, the first time since college. My son had a teacher freshman year in high school who showed the movie in class the first week of school and then regretted it because she hadn't seen the movie since it came out and forgot how intense some of the subject matter is -- they talk about their parents abusing them, sex, drugs, peer pressure. It makes high school look like the last place you want to be. 

Blue Haze

April 29th, 2024 at 9:26 AM ^

I was at UM when that movie hit the screen. I couldn't map my HS experience to it very well. My graduating class at a small Class B (Division 3/4 nowadays, I guess) school in SE Michigan was < 150 kids. I'd done K-12 with many of them. There weren't enough kids for the lunchroom to have "specialty" tables (football, band, theater, etc.) so you were in frequent contact with kids on other life tracks. I think it made for a better experience. My peers from larger high schools found the movie more relatable.

CaliforniaNobody

April 29th, 2024 at 2:16 AM ^

I actually liked Hall's tape a good amount for a late era Larry Johnson coached player. I think with proper coaching, and Miles Garrett next to him, he'll be a nice player for Cleveland. Hope they lose every game though, sorry Zak. 

Bo Harbaugh

April 29th, 2024 at 2:28 AM ^

Zak will play the role of big brother and help the talented Hall with whatever tuffness* he still needs to develop - although rumor is Ryan Day is a super Tuff* totally tuffest* coach tuff* guy there is.

TESOE

April 29th, 2024 at 6:11 AM ^

All things being equal (and nothing in the anthropocene world is) the probability that a specific team picks both players would be (1/32)^2≈0.00097, or about 0.1%.

That is roughly 1024 hats. The draft is merrily binaryish for now, unlike the new college playoff, yet another vector of inequality.

The real odds are what spawn draft parties similar to NCAA brackets, similar to stock picking. You are better off indexing ie making a how many days to kickoff thread.

Ezeh-E

April 29th, 2024 at 7:43 AM ^

You’re right that odds are tough. The odds you provided are the odds that both players would get selected by a specific team. The chances that they would both get selected by any team is actually one in 32 because once Zinter is picked by team then it’s a 1/32 chance that Hall would get picked by the same team. 

Swayze Howell Sheen

April 29th, 2024 at 10:55 AM ^

it's funny, you don't have to think about this at all, probability wise, really.

if you know both will get drafted, and you know there are 32 teams, it's easy: 1 in 32.

but in actuality there are too many hidden variables to get the exact calculation, because we don't really know what positions each team wants to draft, etc.

OldSchoolWolverine

April 29th, 2024 at 7:04 AM ^

So stupid to think otherwise.   They have a common interest, that the rivalry remains the biggest in college football and thus has an interest in the other team.  Like I always said, I want OSU to win every game but ours, as it keeps the association we have, strong and atop college football.  

TESOE

April 29th, 2024 at 7:35 AM ^

Missouri was a travesty. We've had our Mississippi State bowls. Missouri was a statement. OSU is doing football differently than Michigan. 

I root B1G. I enjoy talking to OSU fans. I do not root for disposable football players. There is a real issue under the rivalry. One that Michigan should be careful not to engender or cover with collegiality in the name of sport.